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EvoWiki is down because there is a bug in its software, apparently this bug has existed in evowikis software sense EvoWiki was first created.--[[User:Fang 23|Fang 23]] 10:08, 27 July 2008 (PDT)
EvoWiki is down because there is a bug in its software, apparently this bug has existed in evowikis software sense EvoWiki was first created.--[[User:Fang 23|Fang 23]] 10:08, 27 July 2008 (PDT)
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:::I made a Request for checkuser at wikipedia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser#Outstanding_requests http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Grawp--[[User:Fang 23|Fang 23]] 18:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I made a Request for checkuser at wikipedia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser#Outstanding_requests http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Grawp--[[User:Fang 23|Fang 23]] 18:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've contacted [http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/User_talk:Fred_Bauder#Grawp Wikinfo].  I'm not sure what Fred Bauder will do. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 19:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've contacted [http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/User_talk:Fred_Bauder#Grawp Wikinfo].  I'm not sure what Fred Bauder will do. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 19:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
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At the moment we're just feeding the troll.  To stop Grawp we must actually contact the police. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
== Header Image ==
== Header Image ==
I'm fine to use the fish from the other site, so long as it's acceptable for copyright - do we know if the copyright belongs to Stanton? [[User:Paul|Paul]] 13:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm fine to use the fish from the other site, so long as it's acceptable for copyright - do we know if the copyright belongs to Stanton? [[User:Paul|Paul]] 13:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
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It sounds like a good idea - I am going to ask stanton now.--[[User:Fang 23|Fang 23]] 14:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
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== My Suggestion ==
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As far as I can tell, there isn't much to be done about the google ad content, unless you were to move to a private server, or perhaps complain about the ad content to Google administrators.--[[User:Stanton|Stanton]] 21:51, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
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[http://www.wikiindex.org/index.php?title=Liberapedia&curid=14877&diff=63455&oldid=63443 I've complained at Wikiindex]. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 08:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
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== Schoolboy ==
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Was I the schoolboy you were talking about in Chrsitopher's talk page. i don't think anybody excpet you and me have edited atheism wiki lately. by the way I am not a schoolboy.--[[User:Iamkay|Iamkay]] 10:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
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That was on the 12th February and was nothing whatever to do with you. It's good that you are copying material out of A Storehouse of Knowledge as we never know when those <s>knowlegible</s> silly Christians will delete stuff. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
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== thank you  ==
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Well, thank you for the comment Centauri.  Unfortunately, I wrote that article in a hurry, I wish someone would help me to finish the Origins part.[[User:Fossilz|Fossilz]] 19:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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== Help... ==
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1)  I've been trying to put up an image from the Wikimedia Commons but I can't seem to get it to work.  It's in the article [[uranium]].
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2)  How do you upload pictures?
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[[User:Fossilz|Fossilz]] 20:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
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:Use the "Upload File" link at the left. I think the page lists what types of file you can upload.[[User:Christopher|Christopher]] 22:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
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==Re: Stensiö==
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I'm happy that you tried to help but leaving out his first name in the page title while leaving the middle names makes no sense. It needs to include Erik, with or without the middle names.
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: Thank you. [[User:Andreas|Andreas]] 08:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
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==Spam==
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Hi Proxima,
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As you may have noticed I have been trying to put some new stuff here lately, but I am a little worried about the whole project. I admire your tenacity in spamfighting but it would seem that this site is not sufficiently alive to keep doing that forever. Shouldn't it just be locked? Or at least locked for anons?
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[[User:Jcwf|Jcwf]] 01:02, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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I’m worried the site could go down at any time as happened to [http://liberapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Liberapedia Old Liberapedia].  Palaeos should be moved to a new site with better spam protection.  [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Central Wikia] will host us free and provide excellent spam protection but gives no control at all over advertisements that appear on our pages. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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:Most (all?) of the recent spam-flood seems to be from unregistered accounts. Wouldn't it be a very sensible step to restrict edits to logged-in users only? [[User:Andreas|Andreas]] 00:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
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It would but I don't know how to. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
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I'm happy to implement any spam prevention methods you guys can come up with, just let me know (best to do it through google's mail service, where I'm verloren).  I'll start by locking the edits down, though I thought we'd already done that...  And if you do feel it needs moving to Wikia I've no problem with that at all, just say the word and I'll help with getting whatever dump of the site would useful. [[User:Paul|Paul]] 12:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
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Update: Anon. users are now restricted to reading pages and creating accounts.  Let me know if you see problems! [[User:Paul|Paul]] 12:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
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I will tell you, thanks, by the way is [[User:Andreas|Andreas]] now a sysop?  All the active administrators recommended him. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 15:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
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Sorry, I must have missed the recommendation - he is now, and I'll let him know, thanks.  [[User:Paul|Paul]] 18:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
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==Yes==
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Couldn't find anywhere else to put this, but yes, I like it (i already had it on my favs however) [[User:Phthinosuchusisanancestor|Phthinosuchusisanancestor]] 10:30, 23 April 2010 (UTC)Phthinosuchusisanancestor
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==I come bearing gifts==
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I guess I can only show my trustworthiness by pointing to my somewhat meager contributions, these proposals for a [http://dracontes.deviantart.com/art/Palaios-Iteration-nr-9-90416431 more pertinent] [http://dracontes.deviantart.com/art/Variations-on-Palaios-66227158 wiki symbol], and a 2009/01/18 version of Palaeos.com on my hard drive. I also am willing and able for spamfighting.
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[[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 09:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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I desperately need help with spam fighting but I'm not the site owner and I can't give you extra powers.  If the spam problem doesn't get better I will ask another [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_farm Wiki farm] with better spam protection to copy the wiki. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for your offer of help, is there anything you can do without extra powers? [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 09:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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I can trawl page indexes for stuff that's out of place... For example this is what you missed on your spamfighting:
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''Removed as it is now unnecessary.'' [[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 14:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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Is this a template, [[Txi"]]?
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''[[User talk:Rursus|Rusus]] had the confidence of good administrators when he was active here so it probably means something to the experts, I'll leave it. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:38, 10 June 2011 (UTC)''
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Why is [[Paleos.org is nazism come on block me you fascist!]] still on the All Pages listing if it's deleted?
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''I don't know how to get it off all pages, probably nobody else knew, '''please give me a link to all pages that would help a great deal.''''' [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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Uh... and what the heck is this: [[Lepdisauria]]. I mean, dude, not funny! :-/ I can get it but it's just another way to feed the trolls. I say clean up their crap and block 'em but ignore them otherwise.
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[[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 09:54, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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''The user who did the final version of [[Lepdisauria]] was also a trusted administrator, at that time spammers were creating new pages that linked to other pages and that was there to prevent such page creation, I've deleted the spam in the page history but kept the later versions, thanks for pointing that out. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)''
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Now, that last phrase above wasn't at all binding. If you guys want to leave [[Lepdisauria]] as is, I can only note my disagreement and leave it at that :-)
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Well onto other things... Images:
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''Removed as it is now unnecessary.'' [[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 14:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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''[[User talk:EmmaWatson3bc|Emma Watson]] probably made an honest mistake and thought we were a social networking site, we didn't block her or delete her material at the time as she didn't mean any harm.  [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)''
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''Removed as it is now unnecessary.'' [[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 14:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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This one is peculiar for lack of a better adjective [http://www.palaeos.org/File:Tax-de.png]
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''It looks like the German national flag upside down, as Rusus had the confidence of others I'll leave it, it does no harm. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)''
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I really hope listing these here helps getting rid of them.
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[[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 13:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for all the rubbish you've shown me, when I've finished deleteing please tell me how you found it.  I'll block human vandals but spambots always create a new account so blocking them just wastes time. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 13:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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There's little to it really. On the side bar below the Wiki symbol there's a "toolbox" pane. Go to "Special pages" and select for example "Uncategorized files".
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My method is to set the number of files viewed to 500 and skim the list opening anything that doesn't look like it belongs on the site in a new tab. I can't explain it better than that.
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Oh... [http://www.palaeos.org/Special:AllPages All Pages]
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Here are the images that are linked to in the Spammertime thing:
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*[http://www.palaeos.org/File:Mchammer.gif]
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*[http://www.palaeos.org/File:800px-Spam_with_cans.jpg]
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Scroll down to see the pages that link to those files.
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If that's the case then we should seriously consider moving to a place with better spam protection. I'd rather work on improving and adding to the articles than dealing with spambots. [[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 14:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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I've been using the random page generator just under, "Recent changes", that showed me that most of the Wiki was clean but finding those 20+ pages of spam would have taken a very long time. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 14:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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==Moving to Wikia?==
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[[User:Stanton|Stanton]] has set up [http://palaeos.wikia.com/wiki/Palaeos_Wiki Palaeos at Wikia]. Unfortunately I'm still waiting on Alan's feedback... [[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 22:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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I'll come back later when it's not ther middle of the night. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 03:23, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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==Palaeos com==
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hey Proxima (& all)
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sorry haven't posted, been busy with various things
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just to fill you in, Palaoes com is obviously down but i'm intending on reviving it soon.  It will be reorganised with a different directory tree layout, so it will be easier to add blog posts and so on, as well as accommodate ambiguous or changing phylogenies. 
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The only reason i haven't already got it done is because various things have come up, unrelated commitments and so on, been rather busy.
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i've noticed wikies are easily wreaked by spam, unless they are set to admin only (i.e. all editors are also admins), tho maybe there are other security options that can address this.
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One alternative i'm thinking about is a static website with multible contributers.  So either people can post things to me and i'll upload it, or else they post things directly using ftp and html editors.  The only problem would be with overwriting each others work (if two people were working on the same pagas) and that could be avoided by having a community forum or whatever and messages like "don't do anything with xyz-idae until i've finished updating them".  So it can be made to work, with only minimal hassle.
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My idea for a revised Palaeos com site would be that each group has its own page, tho some taxa could still have individual listings for smaller groups or clades regarding which there isn't enough to justify their own page.  So it would be somewhere between Palaeos org wiki and the old Palaeos com in format. Of course we could still have a wiki as well, provided it can be made spam proof.
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By the way i am on facebook so anyone who wants can contact me there [[User:M alan kazlev|M alan kazlev]] 04:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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We don't need to make the wiki editable by administrators only, that would deter new users, all we need is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA CAPTCHA] as it's very unlikely that those spambots can solve CAPTCHAs. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 06:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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Honestly, I'd favour the static version of the site with enough contributors to keep things going. New users could be screened in by producing material for the site upfront and sending it by e-mail. [[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 11:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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I feel that a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA CAPTCHA] should be sufficient to control the spam.  I've seen CAPTCHAs work on other Wikis and some readers will contriute something useful if all they need is to solve a CAPTCHA but won't get round to sending an email. 
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Still if the others prefer a more secure system there is [http://palaeos.wikia.com/wiki/Palaeos_Wiki Palaeos at Wikia] as a backup.  Wikia has good spam protection, I know because I'm an editor and an administrator on several Wikis there.  If this Wiki is made editable by administrators only please tell me and I'll put a notice onto the Main Page suggesting that contributors write what they want in the Wikia Wiki.  I and other editors can check the Wikia Wiki regularly and transfer useful stuff. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 18:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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I've written to Paul and Toby, so hopefully we should be able to get Palaeos com back on line soon.  I'm also revising the directory structure of the site (making it simpler, to make it easier if the phylogenetic theories for a particular group changes, or if a taxon has two or more equally persusaive positions on the phylogenetic tree and we don't want to dogmatically decide in favour of one) and the menu layout (making it more standardised and hopefully more user friendly) as well as adding a huge new glossary for "evolution" [[User:M alan kazlev|M alan kazlev]] 00:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
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I think I see your point.  Ideally a CAPTCHA would be better than limiting editing to administrators but in the real world sorting out the wiki could delay getting the more important Palaeos com back online.  The spam problem has improved and is manageable for now.  If spam gets worse again the wiki can be made editable for administrators only '''on a temporary basis''' and I will put a prominent notice onto the Main Page advising editors to email or to go to the Wikia wiki.  Once Palaeos com is back online please deal with the wiki so humans can edit but spambots can't. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 17:17, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
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==Spam==
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Until Alan gets Palaeos.com going I guess we're supposed to hold the line. So here's my help spamfighting:
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''Removed as it is now unnecessary''
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==Restoring Palaeos com==
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hey Proxima, do you think we'll need MySQL & php?  I was thinking of a just static website, but maybe database capacity would be useful, what do you (& others here) think?
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also is there anything you'd really like to see in the new site?
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btw Paul says he can set up CAPTCHA for the wiki, so yeah that seems the best way to go.  Once Palaeos com is back up and running we can go back to running the html site and wiki simultaneously, tho i'll be focusing on Palaeos com mostly, at least for a while [[User:M alan kazlev|M alan kazlev]] 13:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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I'm very much more experienced with wikis than with websites like Palaeos com and I plan to concentrate on keeping the wiki clean while others can deal with Palaeos com.  Others here may well have useful opinions about Palaeos com.  Thanks for offering to set up a CAPTCHA once present problems are settled it's badly needed.  Please keep checking back here, if spamn worsens I may reluctantly have to ask you to limit editing to administrators. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 18:25, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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== Captcha ==
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I've enabled a captcha (it's currently giving a bit of an error, though that's down to a config error that I'll fix soon, but is working) but it doesn't seem to have halted the spam in its tracks!  I can't make any more changes right now, but as soon as I can I'll either further improve the spam prevention, or lock the wiki down further.  [[User:Paul|Paul]] 09:16, 5 July 2011 (PDT)
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Thanks, one of the two main spammers has gone, the other can evade the CAPTCHA  but that one regularly spams far less.  Three quarters of the spam is gone. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 11:42, 5 July 2011 (PDT)
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I've tried three times unsuccessfully to create a new account WITHOUT SOLVING THE CAPTCHA OR DELIBERATELY TYPING A WRONG ANSWER.  Perhaps you would like to rest and see tomorrow if the spammers can do anything that I couldn't do. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 11:52, 5 July 2011 (PDT)
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interestingly it started out as a plain text math captcha (e.g. what is 9-4?) which didn't seem to make much difference, but when I worked out how to switch it to a graphic image with the same math problems that seemed to help.  I'll keep an eye on it though. [[User:Paul|Paul]] 00:35, 6 July 2011 (PDT)
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== An Update ==
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I'm sorry if it seems we've neglected you but getting the original site online, http://palaeos.com/ (partial upload) , is taking its fair amount of time... and to be honest we could use your enthusiasm there. It would seem looking at Recent Changes that vandalism is still a bit of a problem: are you managing? On the other hand, it seems you are managing as I was unable to find any new examples. Many thanks for your tireless work here. [[User:Dracontes|Dracontes]] 16:38, 5 January 2012 (PST)

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